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Thanks for feedback. I think I will just give up. I was not disputing the information given, just concerned that it was difficult to understand. But now I will do other things... Cheers Sdc870 (talk)

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Capitalization

You say "The name of offices held are capitalised when it precedes the name", but that's not Wikipedia style. See MOS:JOBTITLES, specifically the example "Mao met with US president Richard Nixon in 1972." —Eyer (he/him) If you reply, add {{reply to|Eyer}} to your message. 19:52, 12 April 2025 (UTC)

It depends on whether you think it's a title or a description. The rule in Chicago Manual of Style is much easier to figure out; if it's before the name, capitalize it; if it's after the name, don't. Jc3s5h (talk) 21:00, 12 April 2025 (UTC)

Agreed... I use CMOS at work... but here at Wikipedia, a title that's modified is lowercase... even if it precedes someone's name. —Eyer (he/him) If you reply, add {{reply to|Eyer}} to your message. 21:01, 12 April 2025 (UTC)

@Eyer:To further confuse matters, although Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Capital letters#Titles of people does refer to Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Biography#Titles of People, it also states

• Directly juxtaposed with the person's name, such words begin with a capital letter (President Obama, not president Obama). Standard or commonly used names of an office are treated as proper names (David Cameron was Prime Minister of the United Kingdom; Hirohito was Emperor of Japan; Louis XVI was King of France). Royal styles are capitalized (Her Majesty; His Highness); exceptions may apply for particular offices.

Jc3s5h (talk) 21:00, 12 April 2025 (UTC)

The example, though, that matters here is the one that I cited above. In the phrase "Virginia governor Jim Gilmore", "governor" is lowercase because it's modified by "Virginia". —Eyer (he/him) If you reply, add {{reply to|Eyer}} to your message. 21:10, 12 April 2025 (UTC)

I think the two guidelines give different advice. One would have to look through the talk pages on the two guidelines to understand what is going on. Neither guideline says that the title is lowercase if it's modified by another word. Jc3s5h (talk) 21:41, 12 April 2025 (UTC)

Mad River

With respect to insisting on "the Mad River", I think you're being a bit pedantic about this. I currently live within walking distance of the river and hearing someone refer to it as "the Mad River" would subtly identify them as being unfamiliar with how its mentioned. Likewise, presenting it that way in the article just sounds plainly odd, which is the only reason I went ahead with the edit to begin with. I'm entirely aware that rivers like "the Naugatuck" or "the Housatonic" follow the convention you're referring to, it's just that Mad doesn't. Adding "the" for a river is not an English language rule and probably shouldn't override colloquial usage in this case. That said, it's not worth an edit war or mediation. Jgcoleman (talk) 18:18, 28 April 2025 (UTC)

So you claim a person would say "I went fishing in Mad River"? If I heard someone say that, I'd imagine there was some little neighborhood in Wolcott I hadn't heard of, and that's where the fishing occurred. Jc3s5h (talk) 18:51, 28 April 2025 (UTC)