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Section sizes

Section size for List of fictional non-binary characters (14 sections)
Section name	Byte count	Section total
(Top)	1,218	1,218
Anime and animation	69,028	69,028
Books, print comics, and manga	23,396	23,396
Film	14,886	14,886
Live-action television	34,112	34,112
Theatre	6,701	6,701
Video games	24,205	24,205
Webcomics	13,063	13,063
Other	6,254	6,254
See also	844	844
Notes	24	24
References	16	721
Citations	29	29
Sources	676	676
Total	194,452	194,452

Text and/or other creative content from this version of List of fictional non-binary characters was copied or moved into Non-binary characters in fiction with this edit. The former page's history now serves to provide attribution for that content in the latter page, and it must not be deleted as long as the latter page exists.

Inclusion criteria

Characters can be added to their list if either the work they appear in is notable (per WP:GNG), the character themselves is notable, or if the character's gender has been covered by multiple reliable sources. If none of these criteria apply, a character should be excluded from the list.

Determining whether a character is non-binary: Characters are considered non-binary when either a reliable source identifies them as such, or it is confirmed explicitly by the character's creator(s). Do not include characters that belong to a genderless species or class of beings, for example, robots.
Determining whether a character is eligible: A character is eligible for this list if the character or work they appear in is notable, specifically if the character is a main or recurring character. This is meant to keep the list meaningful and useful.

Adding Glen/Glenda

Glen/Glenda from childs play films is genderfluid 2603:6010:A3F0:8380:850F:DC5C:6A95:36D4 (talk) 07:04, 15 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Added. Nosferattus (talk) 00:24, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

Krazy Kat

I'm skeptical of listing Krazy Kat. Krazy Kat's creator described Krazy Kat thus: "something like a sprite, an elf. They have no sex. So that Kat can't be a he or a she. The Kat's a spirit—a pixie—free to butt into anything". To me, being sexless is different than being non-binary or agender. You could easily argue that Big Bird is sexless or any number of ambiguous cartoon animal characters. (Yes I know that Big Bird is canonically male, but still.) This is another reason why I think our inclusion criteria should include some mention of the character having a human-like experience of gender, but I suppose that's a bigger discussion. What do folks think about the inclusion of Krazy Kat specifically? Nosferattus (talk) 02:17, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm. You make a good point. I'd be ok with removing it. The inclusion criteria should surely be updated. I'd be willing to revisit that again and propose possible changes (I know previous discussions were not very fruitful, but I'd be willing to try again). Historyday01 (talk) 17:11, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

iris menas

Clicking on the hyperlink immediately states that the names are supposed to be written in lowercase, yet they're upper case on the list 2001:9E8:480E:3700:255A:7677:8282:A3E1 (talk) 09:37, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@2001:9E8:480E:3700:255A:7677:8282:A3E1 Yes, that's been a matter of discussion on menas's talk page. There have been several discussions on the capitalization of hir name, but the consensus seems to be not to move the page. JohnLaurens333 (correct me if I'm wrong) 20:36, 22 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

That consensus makes sense. Historyday01 (talk) 20:37, 22 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Recent edits

@User:Nosferattus, while I appreciate your edits, generally, I have to disagree with your recent removal of the words "with sub-pages for characters in anime and animation" as related to lists of lesbian and bisexual characters, specifically the following pages: List of lesbian characters in animation and List of bisexual characters in animation. I have proposed a possible compromise with my recent edit (I would also be ok if these two pages were moved to the "See also" section). Otherwise, you claimed in an edit that "the bit about Yivo using neopronouns in the show is essentially just a joke making fun of neopronouns" and that Yivo belongs to "genderless species or class of being". I have reversed that edit. I request that you provide sources to back up these assertions, especially the first assertion and would further reason the onus is on you to prove these assertions since you made these claims. Otherwise, if reliable sources are not provided, I would not support the removal of Yivo from the page. Historyday01 (talk) 19:31, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I just removed them because there are several other sub-lists for List of fictional lesbian characters and List of fictional bisexual characters. Why are we only mentioning the animation sub-lists? And if we list all of them, the sentence becomes an unreadable nightmare. Nosferattus (talk) 19:41, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Honestly, they were only listed that way because that's how I originally constructed the page (and I realized that I hadn't even updated it since I merged the anime characters into the animation pages, oops). You have to remember that when I created this page I did so on my own without any assistance, so I kind of only did what I felt was right at the time... Anyway, I'd be fine with moving them to the "See also" section, as long as all those lists are moved there. Historyday01 (talk) 20:52, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It doesn't matter much to me, as long as it's consistent. Nosferattus (talk) 23:33, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I can agree with that. Historyday01 (talk) 02:27, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yivo

Yivo is a planet-sized alien whose reproductive organs are millions of tentacles. The show makes a joke about Yivo using neopronouns since it doesn't have a gender. Yivo clearly fails our inclusion criteria as it belongs to a genderless species or class of beings. Nosferattus (talk) 19:37, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In my view, the sources speak for themselves. Regardless, I do think we need evidence that the show is making a joke about Yivo using neopronouns. Like, if there is director's commentary or something, since the DVD reportedly includes a "Meet Yivo!" featurette with David Cross (the person who voiced Yivo). As it so happens, I got a recent copy of the film (and bought all of the Futurama episodes apart from the newest season), but I'm hoping there is something else somewhere, because the Futurama: The Beast with a Billion Backs page is of no help here: the only main mention of Yivo on that page is the plot section which, like most plot sections on this site, has... no sources. The discussion topic Should we use "Schle" when refering to Yivo? is not much help either... And I don't think Infosphere is reliable source either... Historyday01 (talk) 20:59, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If you've seen the episode, it is obviously a joke. This is especially evident from the neo-pronouns given, which are not neo-pronouns used by non-binary people, but suspiciously close to a shm-reduplication. "Schle" was close enough for the comedic effect, but not blatantly derisive like "schme" would have been. Regardless, we don't need a source explaining the joke, as the inclusion criteria is clear. The whole reason we have those inclusion criteria is to keep this list at least somewhat focused on the LGBT concept of non-binary gender identity rather than being a list of talking toasters, cars, robots, and aliens. Nosferattus (talk) 23:31, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I understand what you are saying, but with the existing reliable sources, we are going to need a source to prove otherwise. If not, I'd fear we are going into WP:OR territory on this. I didn't find anything useful on the badly sourced Religion in Futurama page, but this SYFY review (of the fourth part of the film) doesn't include anything about Yivo's gender being anything other than male (and uses he/him/his pronouns for Yivo), while another SYFY review of the third part of the film adds: "Yivo extrudes shlimself (shlee is without gender, though shlee sounds distinctly male, so for narrative purposes we'll stick with "him" from now on)." The same is stated on page 40 of M. J. Buckman's book "Bent Is Not Broken" (it's by an indie publisher). I found some other mentions of Yivo in books here and here, but NO mention of gender in either page, while Pop Matters uses he/him/his pronouns for Yivo in a review of the film. The same is the case in the review by Common Sense Media. Due to these difference in sourcing, I don't think its enough to say it should be removed, which was why I was mentioning getting something from the movie staff (or those from the show more broadly) on Yivo, if at all possible. And since we both have different viewpoints on this, I don't think there is a consensus at this point for removal. Historyday01 (talk) 02:50, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Adding Venture and Clove

As the title says. Never edited Wikipedia myself, but I wanted to suggest the addition of Venture / Sloane Cameron from Overwatch 2 as well as Clove from Valorant due to them both being introduced as each of the game's first NB characters. Froyodoyo (talk) 00:12, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Froyodoyo: Do you have any sources we can cite? Nosferattus (talk) 17:29, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]