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Is there a better map that can be used for the info box? That tiny square is a bit ridiculous. Wikipedia article maps are often hit or miss. Sometimes there are great maps and even additional zoomed in and zoomed out ones with nearby countries, borders, bodies of water, and even disputed areas clearly marked. Then, other times you get a tiny square that barely shows the territory at all and no labeled areas whatsoever. 66.91.36.8 (talk) 03:50, 26 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Adding citations seen as a problem

When I went to Hadrut Province article and saw that this "de jure part of Republic of Azerbaijan' sentence ended with a ^{[citation needed]} template, first I removed it because it is the lede/lead and lead can be left like that, without that template. But several times it got reverted, because apparently, any claim or sentence in wikipedia needs to have a citation and uncited materials may be removed. Okay, I understand that and added two citations.

Then I passed by to the article of Republic of Artsakh, eventhough the same sentence doesn't have ^{[citation needed]} with them, I decided to put and utilise those two citations I used in Hadrut Province article. Those works aren't bias as far as I am concerned and I avoided using Azerbaijani sources because they're deemed as highly provocative and part of Azerbaijani Government's propaganda.

ChipmunksDavid, sorry for misspelling, said that those two citations don't contain anything unique and not an improvement. How come putting a citations can't be seen as an improvement. I don't have a comment regarding uniqueness that citations need to have/bring/deliver. But I still argue that those two works are more than eligible to be added into the lede of Republic of Artsakh article, because it is not disrupting and vandalising the article.

Or to put a citation also need a consensus from other editors? My edits that tried to put Azerbaijani/Turkic name for several articles got reverted because other experienced editors said what I did doesn't meet the consensus. Mfikriansori (talk) 16:47, 20 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Leads generally do not need citations given they are meant only to reflect what is in the article body. That is the current setup for this lead. Where sources are added, it is usually for potentially contentious statements. That Artsakh's breakaway from Azerbaijan is unrecognised is not a contentious statement, and the article has a dedicated subsection on the topic. CMD (talk) 16:54, 20 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi CMD, thank you. So, instead of involving in what supposed to be an edit-war, I can add new content to that dedicated subsection and citetwo works I said earlier. Mfikriansori (talk) 17:05, 20 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

If its very detailed content I'd suggest adding it to subarticles, but in general yes it's easier to add to bodies than to leads. CMD (talk) 17:52, 20 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 7 May 2022

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– The article can serve as the primary page for the title. DownTownRich (talk) 18:40, 7 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Added move of associated page. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 02:44, 8 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

oppose this article is about the political entity not the region—blindlynx 19:35, 7 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The proposed title currently serves as a disambiguation page and this has nothing to do with the region Nagorno-Karabakh which has Artsakh informally used. DownTownRich (talk) 19:43, 7 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Other articles related to Republic of Artsakh are using Artsakh instead of Republic of Artsakh (e.g Artsakh–United States relations, Artsakh Defence Army). See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:PrefixIndex/Artsakh to see similar pages DownTownRich (talk) 20:07, 7 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose no real rationale given. Super Ψ Dro 20:12, 7 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose The other articles using the name in their are because they are otherwise unambiguous, but the same cannot be said of the base title itself. - CHAMPION ^{(talk) (contributions) (logs)} 00:41, 8 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

SUPPORT This should be done ages ago. I can understand why formal names are used for the Democratic Republic of the Congo and the Republic of the Congo as both countries literally share the same name. Since there is only one Artsakh on Earth right now, what is the point of using the long formal name for this country just because there was a historical country used the same name? 110.145.30.41 (talk) 09:45, 11 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose to maintain distinction from melikdoms and provinces that have used the same name over the centuries. I suspect that the nomination may be a politically motivated attempt to delegitimise the Republic. Laurel Lodged (talk) 10:50, 11 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Laurel this is by no way politically motivated every nations article does reflect its official name and I myself do support these articles as I am part of the WikiProject that maintains and expands them. DownTownRich (talk) 21:54, 12 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Artsakh as a name of modern political entity is dated back only to 2006 and before, it was and still widely known as Nagorno-Karabakh Republic. The current title needs to be kept because it differentiate between this today's Artsakh with Artsakh of Ancient Armenia, which aren't the exact same. Mfikriansori (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 08:55, 13 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]